Terrible framerate while driving on high-end system o.o
|2 years ago :: Feb 14 2012 - 9:48AM|
Um, a, that's a locked thread, so I couldn't post there, anyway, and b, your link isn't the same at all. Those are for BIOS updates, which I had already followed, downloaded, and they did nothing. Most of the people in this thread seem to be having a problem because of AMD issues, and so was I. This is a little program someone made where you run it everytime you "start a new power cycle" (turn on your computer,) and it makes the game work. Hopefully it helps some people out.
|2 years ago :: Feb 14 2012 - 7:13PM|
Assuming that you are referring to the program in the first post of your link, here are some quotes from it:
Title: "A fix for Valve CEG games causing BSOD on Bulldozer -issue"
"I recently found a solution for the issue causing BSOD on systems using AMD Bulldozer CPU."
"Get the modified, unofficial bioses:"
"Use the supplier AMI Afuwin (32 or 64-bit) program to update the bios.
This is clearly a BIOS-based fix for people running AMD Bulldozer FX CPUs.
Fake Edit: Oh, wait, there are later posts for the program that you're referring to. The majority are still BIOS updates but there is one post that refers to a program and it is this one:
It is apparently only for use with, surprise surprise, an AMD FX CPU.
Again, this is a fix for BSODs and performance issues with AMD Bulldozer FX CPU's and nothing to do with framerate issues when driving fast.
If you want to alert people to this, you should probably create a new thread with "AMD FX CPU" clearly in the title.
Edit: The AMD issues that people may or may not be having in this thread are concerning their video cards, not their CPU's.
|2 years ago :: Feb 19 2012 - 3:09AM|
Sorry for the delay . I did not mean to ignore this thread and youir post inquiring about the post here
has had me revisit. I did read some more. LEt me say at the outset to address something you and some others have
said. My post was not an attempt to brag or rub salt in wounds or anything of the sort. I was attempting to show
to others who maybe hadn't bought this game that it isn't all trash and horrible performance. My example was to show
it DOES run fine on my hardware config. I thought I made it clear I too would be upset if my othewise fine hardware would
fail badly on this game! There I hope that salves some ruffled feathers.
Now, on to your questions. I did just as you said just now and went to Shaundies, ran left to that intersection and
while looking at the horizon to the east where the smokestacks are and all I saw 58 to 60 FPS, this is displayed on my
Logitech Keyboard using the EGA monitor software.
I turn my characters perspective around to look back toward the apartment, west. Frame rate that way was 50 to 54ish, typical.
When spinning around to check other views depending on traffic, again 55 to 60 fps. The biggest drop was looking due west
from that middle intersection.
While on the way to Shaundis I had taken a Eagle attack chopper with the 3 typical female homeys and my frame rate there
was lower in the sky. 40 to 48 fps and in some cases upper mid 55fps, it just depended on where I was...
in most areas while flying high or low.
Pausing while I tab out to check your specfic test with the gear you listed.
Okay, snagged a VTOL to keep it on same plane. (HAHA)
Pretty much the same result as with the chopper. Tried your test and in any case was the same pretty much either moving
or not fast flying or using slow hover and then stopping. 40 to 48FPS typical variable depending on where on map I was.
Again, in some areas I'd get mid 50's. I hovered over zombie island there were some burning trash piles with
lots of smoke and some exploding cars on the bridge. Fired off some special rockets to add to the particles.
I never saw anything below 45fps with all that going on and depending on which was I turned the perspective
one can see again , 40's to the 50's. It more seems to do with locale and perspective.
SInce I don't stare at the FPS meter every minute of the game I hadn't noticed the frame rates I mentioned above. Since
in my case the game seems fine I wasnt' fussing with numbers.
After doing this test I'll just amend to say on MY system, I DO see mid 50's to 60's TYPICAL when running around town and
it does appear it can drop to 40's in specific scenarios that I hadn['t looked at before. DOes that make people happy?
My impression after reading so many complaints over the weeks is IT IS a AMD issue and I have no clue if it is
due to something on AMD end or Volition coding and the engine they use end.It appears to be both certain AMD cpu
configs and certain AMD GPU's.
An example, a gaming friend of mine has a similar system to mine, intel i7 based (old generation pre Sandy) CPU
and a AMD 4000 something GPU (I forget what exactly) I asked him and he said he had no major issues with performance. /shrug.
I do hope Volition figures this out as the game can work fine and it does here. I do have issues with certain game play
limitations but thats another thread.
And to the others who think I was just trying to brag or say, yah, Nvidia rocks man, that is wrong. I was not trying to do that. You read
that into what I wrote.
The whole point I I was trying to make, and I must have mangled it badly was to simply offer to those out
there reading this long thread that it isn't all doom and gloom. One would get that impression otherwise.
By the way, I had played this game for a couple weeks before even dropping in on these forums, ouit of curiosity.
the time to list your hardware basics else any posting is a waste of time. It helps no-one to not detail which systems have
issues or otherwise. Take the time to mention system specs when posting in technical forums. (as it is)
For brain dead forums like this that lack a simple sig means I keep a text file handy on my desktop with system specs. I just
copy and paste.
I'll try to not not read this thread as much. Sorry for the followup responce delay.
Edit: oops. To my point about specifics. I forgot to mention I do run graphics at max settings, the numbers listed above
were not done at lower rez or lower settings.
|2 years ago :: Feb 19 2012 - 3:30AM|
Rather than edit. Quick followup on my above post.
I just ran that same Shandi test you mentioned at night this time (prior numbers were in day , no rain)
This time at night, pointing east in middle of intersection low 50's
and when looking west back towar Shandis pad, .. upper 50's.
Odd, but about opposite of daylight. SO it is so situational in this game. Day, night,
Also, I have noticed after a reload of the same save that my night numbers overall seem somewhat higher than in
the daylight but I've not had a whole lot of time to STARE at the GPU tracking panel on my keyboard.
In about 5 minutes of just general fooling around doing as much mayhem as I could with 3 homies in tow
and this time I spent more time watching the LCD panel on my keyboard than enjoying the game, I did note
it does drop to upper 40's in more cases than I had realized earlier. However, again, typical is much higher above 55.
If You got other tests ya want me to try and simulate and dupilicate let me know.
|2 years ago :: Feb 19 2012 - 3:44AM|
I must fail at informing. I was not trying to brag about jack ****. I was trying to inform on a thread
that seemed to imply this game just flat runs like crap no matter what PC hardware people have.
I was providing a data point. Specific hardware mentioned with game performance.
If your going to slam people, slam the dummies that post complaints in a technical issues forum yet fail
to post specifics about the system in question.
By the way, people like me, who are not having the issue. Same thing rule applies. As posting without
providing hardware specifics serves NO purpose and has zero chance of educating anyone. Zero chance
of people that CAN find a solution to fiind one due to lack of informataion on all the variables.
Given the PC hardware platform is so diverse, one has to post this information, as a user, if you want to be of help.
Otherwise your just a noise making unit.
The below isn't a brag, it is a data point
System runs this game fine.
My post wasn't to pat Volition on the back for a great PC code base , nor was it a slam. It was to try to provide info
to others that may not buy the game yet, that they can chew on, to determine if THEIR hardware might run the game fine or not.
Given my impression of wht I've read here and about. This game is extremely CPU bound. Good luck running it on systems
that don't have the meat.
|2 years ago :: Feb 19 2012 - 4:13PM|
Ok, thanks for doing those tests! Although this is a very small sample size (n = 1), your tests do somewhat confirm that Nvidia hardware mostly runs the game consistently well. They only confounding factor that I forgot about is that you have an insane CPU, so I think later today, I'm going to put all of my hardware to stock settings and see what happens to my framerate. It doesn't seem CPU-limited (ie. my fps changes with resolution) but who knows given how the game is running! I'll get back to you guys later!
If it's not too much of a hasstle, it would be interesting if you put your CPU to stock clocks and check what your fps is again to see if that makes any difference. Heck, maybe even underclock it to my 3.2 GHz (or lower since Sandy Bridge is a more efficient architecture).
|2 years ago :: Feb 19 2012 - 5:49PM|
That souinded interesting so I just tried it. Illuminating I guess.
Here are my results. Downclocked to 3400mhz which as I recall is about default for a i7-2600k.
Using CORE temp to monitor, verified the clock speed in game was at 3400Mhz (3.4 Ghz) via Logitech display.
Flew chopper at night.. from Saints base to shaundis with stop over by zombie island.
Seemed a few frames per second .. MAYBE .. lower but still in mid 40's to bumps in 50ish at times, depending. Moving or stopped. (note this was with the Eagle)
At zombie Island I saw a nice plume of smoke particles so I took the homies in for a scenic tour to enjoy the aroma of burned
flesh. Hovered around and in the plume generally in the area of that downed STAG airplane. Low 40's to upper 40's FPS with
a few dips to 39 but soon as I turn around it would jump back to mid 40's.
Flew to shaundis, again this was night.
Stood in intersection looking east. FPS fluttering in mid 40's to upper 40's.
Looking west and if moving down the street that way some, upper 40's to lower 50's . No rain effects but I never see a dip during
Overall impression and this is just seat of the pants .. slightly lower performance but not a whole lot .
For whatever its worth.
I forgot to mention this is all done with game in full screen mode. I don't run it windowed. 1920x1200 and all settings
in graphics set to balls to the wall. I saw no differnce with vsync on or off in overall settings, that was the only other thing I messed with
EDIT. LOL, after reading agaain the results from before it appears a loss of perhaps say, 8 fps or so typical.
SO number wise it did make adiference, noticing the difference by just playing the game,... not so much.
|2 years ago :: Feb 19 2012 - 6:06PM|
Okay, I figured I' just screw around some to get a overall impression and made up a new 'test'.
Still at night. That road that runs east - west immediate north of the gym in Lucradore territory.
Ran that whole road east and west twice. Fast as a tricked out Bootlegger convertable with blower could go.
3 homies with lucradore cannons (2) and one with a rocket launcher, in the car, of course.
Running east was consistant lower to mid 40's. 42ish to 44 typical.
Running west was upper 40's . 46 to 48 typical.
No rain. Just driving like a lunatic.
Okay, I'll try to ramp my CPU speed back up to the 4.6GHZ I was before and will edit this post with the results. Hope I don['t have
to reboot, doing this with the game in background> and I hatge it when the homies lose their lucrador toys.. haha. Back in a bit.
EDIT. Okay. All seemd to go well, back at 4633Mhz CPU clock, confirmed by CORETEMP while in game.
This time ran again, east west road twice .
That road north of the Gym, and ran the entire road as far east and west as it can go until the raised drawbridge stops
and back to where it curves north in the west.
West was upper 40's solid to lower 50's .. saw 53 a few times.
East was mid 40's . Oddly not as much as a FPS boost when running east. Shrug.l
I would say a boost of 3 to 6FPS using that as a 'baseline'
Again, at night. I'm willing to bet it might matter on other factors. If I run that test again after a death or two I'll do it in daylight just
for **** n giggles.
So I guess your observation the game isn't horribly CPU dependent is correct pretty much.
|2 years ago :: Feb 25 2012 - 12:02AM|
Thanks for doing those tests! So it appears that this is entirely a GPU issue and purely with AMD cards.
We are now 3 months after release and we've seen two of the "big" DLC packs come out but no fix for this highly annoying issue. This is a game that revolves around driving fast while possibly shooting at pursuers and yet they have not fixed these framerate issues that ruined my experience with the game with a Radeon 5850 such that I bought the fastest single-GPU card available (Radeon 7970); and that only makes it consistently playable rather than eye-meltingly awesome.
I am jealous of people with less powerful Nvidia cards at this moment.
|2 years ago :: Feb 29 2012 - 6:44PM|
Redo your test with ANY AMD cpu and then tell me this game isn't horribly cpu dependent.
Your 2 cores from your core i7 is equivalent to the performance of all 4 cores of my phenom.
Since the game only utilizes 2 cores, your cpu is unlikely to be the bottleneck, where as for those of us with an AMD processor... well, the overclocking gives us a 1-1 ratio of fps improvement.