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3 years ago  ::  Feb 14, 2012 - 7:48AM #531
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Um, a, that's a locked thread, so I couldn't post there, anyway, and b, your link isn't the same at all. Those are for BIOS updates, which I had already followed, downloaded, and they did nothing. Most of the people in this thread seem to be having a problem because of AMD issues, and so was I. This is a little program someone made where you run it everytime you "start a new power cycle" (turn on your computer,) and it makes the game work. Hopefully it helps some people out.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 14, 2012 - 5:13PM #532
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Feb 14, 2012 -- 7:48AM, comichic wrote:


Um, a, that's a locked thread, so I couldn't post there, anyway, and b, your link isn't the same at all. Those are for BIOS updates, which I had already followed, downloaded, and they did nothing. Most of the people in this thread seem to be having a problem because of AMD issues, and so was I. This is a little program someone made where you run it everytime you "start a new power cycle" (turn on your computer,) and it makes the game work. Hopefully it helps some people out.




Assuming that you are referring to the program in the first post of your link, here are some quotes from it:


Title: "A fix for Valve CEG games causing BSOD on Bulldozer -issue"


"I recently found a solution for the issue causing BSOD on systems using AMD Bulldozer CPU."


"Get the modifiedunofficial bioses:"


"Use the supplier AMI Afuwin (32 or 64-bit) program to update the bios.
Tick "Program All Blocks" (from Setup tab, block options) option before launching the update process.
Once the update has been completed, shut down the computer and clear cmos."


This is clearly a BIOS-based fix for people running AMD Bulldozer FX CPUs.



Fake Edit: Oh, wait, there are later posts for the program that you're referring to. The majority are still BIOS updates but there is one post that refers to a program and it is this one:


www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread....


It is apparently only for use with, surprise surprise, an AMD FX CPU.


Again, this is a fix for BSODs and performance issues with AMD Bulldozer FX CPU's and nothing to do with framerate issues when driving fast.


If you want to alert people to this, you should probably create a new thread with "AMD FX CPU" clearly in the title.




Edit: The AMD issues that people may or may not be having in this thread are concerning their video cards, not their CPU's.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2012 - 1:09AM #533
GetsumBent
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Feb 8, 2012 -- 6:14PM, Philtastic wrote:


Feb 8, 2012 -- 1:28PM, GetsumBent wrote:


  For the record, this system is having zero performance issues with Sr3 or Sr2 and runs both fine at highest settings


with 50 plus FPS typical. 


...


GPU: Nvidia GTX 580, Drivers:Usually latest WHQL or beta,



Ooo, an Nvidia user boasting about how well the game runs! I have a test for you to run that might help us out! On ultra settings, go to Shaundi's Ex's Apartment Crib (ie. the first crib you get), walk out the front door into the middle of the road, turn left, and jog forward until you get close to the intersection: you should be facing a bridge with the middle island skyline there with tall skyscrapers. See what your fps is standing there and tell us!


Another test you can do is to get in a VTOL and compare your fps while hovering forward vs. when you immediately stop moving. You can also do this for flying forward vs. immediately stopping.


Could you do this? I ask because I've got a Core i5 750 @ 3.2 GHz paired with a Radeon 7970 and my framerate still drops to ~27 outside of that crib (drops to ~15 fps on my previous Radeon 5850) and also drops by about 5-20 fps when hovering/flying forward. This would really clarify if it's strictly an AMD issue or an engine issue. A reminder that this is on ultra settings.




 Sorry for the delay . I did not mean to ignore this thread and youir post inquiring about the post here


has had me revisit. I did read some more. LEt me say at the outset to address something you and some others have


said. My post was not an attempt to brag or rub salt in wounds or anything of the sort. I was attempting to show


to others who maybe hadn't bought this game that it isn't all trash and horrible performance. My example was to show


it DOES run fine on my hardware config. I thought I made it clear I too would be upset if my othewise fine hardware would


fail badly on this game! There I hope that salves some ruffled feathers.



Now, on to your questions. I did just as you said just now and went to Shaundies, ran left to that intersection and


while looking at the horizon to the east where the smokestacks are and all I saw 58 to 60 FPS, this is displayed on my


Logitech Keyboard using the EGA monitor software.


  I turn my characters perspective around to look back toward the apartment, west. Frame rate that way was 50 to 54ish, typical.


 When spinning around to check other views depending on traffic,  again 55 to 60 fps. The biggest drop was looking due west


from that middle intersection.



 While on the way to Shaundis I had taken a Eagle attack chopper with the 3 typical female homeys and my frame rate there


was lower in the sky. 40 to 48 fps and in some cases upper mid 55fps, it just depended on where I was...


 in most areas while flying high or low.


Pausing while I tab out to check your specfic test with the gear you listed.


 Okay, snagged a VTOL to keep it on same plane. (HAHA)


 Pretty much the same result as with the chopper. Tried your test and in any case was the same pretty much either moving


or not fast flying or using slow hover and then stopping. 40 to 48FPS typical variable depending on where on map I was.


Again, in some areas I'd get mid 50's. I hovered over zombie island there were some burning trash piles with


lots of smoke and some exploding cars on the bridge. Fired off some special rockets to add to the particles.


I never saw anything below 45fps with all that going on and depending on which was I turned the  perspective


one can see again , 40's to the 50's. It more seems to do with locale and perspective.



 SInce I don't stare at the FPS meter every minute of the game I hadn't noticed the frame rates I mentioned above. Since


in my case the game seems fine I wasnt' fussing with numbers.


 After doing this test I'll just amend to say on MY system, I DO see mid 50's to 60's TYPICAL when running around town and


it does appear it can drop to 40's in specific scenarios that I hadn['t looked at before. DOes that make people happy?


 My impression after reading so many complaints over the weeks is IT IS a AMD issue and I have no clue if it is


due to something on AMD end or Volition coding and the engine they use end.It appears to be both certain AMD cpu


configs and certain AMD GPU's.


 An example, a gaming friend of mine has a similar system to mine, intel i7 based (old generation pre Sandy) CPU


and a AMD 4000 something GPU (I forget what exactly) I asked him and he said he had no major issues with performance. /shrug.



 


 I do hope Volition figures this out as the game can work fine and it does here. I do have issues with certain game play


limitations but thats another thread.


 


 And to the others who think I was just trying to brag or say, yah, Nvidia rocks man, that is wrong. I was not trying to do that. You read


that into what I wrote.


 The whole point I I was trying to make, and I  must have mangled it badly was to simply offer to those out


there reading this long thread that it isn't all doom and gloom. One would get that impression otherwise.


By the way, I had played this game for a couple weeks before even dropping in on these forums, ouit of curiosity.




 My only other suggestion to those that DO post about issues and those who post otherwise is to PLEASE take


the time to list your hardware basics else any posting is a waste of time. It helps no-one to not detail which systems have


issues or otherwise. Take the time to mention system specs when posting in technical forums. (as it is)


 For brain dead forums like this that lack a simple sig means I keep a text file handy on my desktop with system specs. I just


copy and paste.



   I'll try to not not read this thread as much. Sorry for the followup responce delay.


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Windows 7 64 | 8GB RAM, Asus MB P8Z68-V PRO R1.xx,
CPU: Intel i7-2600K @4.6 Ghz
GPU: Nvidia GTX 580 no o/c, Drivers 290.53
Display: Dell U2410 1920x1200, Mouse: Logitech G5
RAM: Corsair XMP1600
CPU Cooler: Corsair H50.


Edit: oops. To my point about specifics. I forgot to mention I do run graphics at max settings, the numbers listed above


were not done at lower rez or lower settings.



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3 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2012 - 1:30AM #534
GetsumBent
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Rather than edit. Quick followup on my above post.


I just ran that same Shandi test you mentioned at night this time (prior numbers were in day , no rain)


This time at night, pointing east in middle of intersection low 50's


and when looking west back towar Shandis pad, .. upper 50's.



 Odd, but about opposite of daylight.  SO it is so situational in this game. Day, night,


Also, I have noticed after a reload of the same save that my night numbers overall seem somewhat higher than in


the daylight but I've not had a whole lot of time to STARE at the GPU tracking panel on my keyboard.


 In about 5 minutes of just general fooling around doing as much mayhem as I could with 3 homies in tow


and this time I spent more time watching the LCD panel on my keyboard than enjoying the game, I did note


it does drop to upper 40's in more cases than I had realized earlier. However, again, typical is much higher above 55.


  If You got other tests ya want me to try and simulate and dupilicate let me know.



 Ciao.



 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2012 - 1:44AM #535
GetsumBent
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Feb 9, 2012 -- 11:08AM, ARustyFirePlace wrote:


>guy with gtx 580 and i7 cpu bragging about performance


>gets 50 fps


not sure if serious





 I must fail at informing. I was not trying to brag about jack ****. I was trying to inform on a thread


that seemed to imply this game just flat runs like crap no matter what PC hardware people have.


 I was providing a data point. Specific hardware mentioned with game performance.


 


If your going to slam people, slam the dummies that post complaints in a technical issues forum yet fail


to post specifics about the system in question.


 By the way, people like me, who are not having the issue. Same thing rule applies. As posting without


providing hardware specifics serves NO purpose and has zero chance of educating anyone. Zero chance


of people that CAN find a solution to fiind one due to lack of informataion on all the variables.


 Given the PC hardware platform is so diverse, one has to post this information, as a user, if you want to be of help.



Otherwise your just a noise making unit.


The below isn't a brag, it is a data point


System:
Windows 7 64 | 8GB RAM, Asus MB P8Z68-V PRO R1.xx,
CPU: Intel i7-2600K @4.6 Ghz
GPU: Nvidia GTX 580 no o/c, Drivers 290.53
Display: Dell U2410 1920x1200, Mouse: Logitech G5
RAM: Corsair XMP1600
CPU Cooler: Corsair H50.


 System runs this game fine.


 


 My post wasn't to pat Volition on the back for a great  PC code base , nor was it a slam.  It was to try to provide info


to others that may not buy the game yet, that they can chew on, to determine if THEIR  hardware might run the game fine or not.


 Given my impression of wht I've read here and about. This game is extremely CPU bound. Good luck running it on systems


that don't have the meat.



 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2012 - 2:13PM #536
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Feb 19, 2012 -- 1:30AM, GetsumBent wrote:


Rather than edit. Quick followup on my above post.


I just ran that same Shandi test you mentioned at night this time (prior numbers were in day , no rain)


This time at night, pointing east in middle of intersection low 50's


and when looking west back towar Shandis pad, .. upper 50's.



 Odd, but about opposite of daylight.  SO it is so situational in this game. Day, night,


Also, I have noticed after a reload of the same save that my night numbers overall seem somewhat higher than in


the daylight but I've not had a whole lot of time to STARE at the GPU tracking panel on my keyboard.


 In about 5 minutes of just general fooling around doing as much mayhem as I could with 3 homies in tow


and this time I spent more time watching the LCD panel on my keyboard than enjoying the game, I did note


it does drop to upper 40's in more cases than I had realized earlier. However, again, typical is much higher above 55.


  If You got other tests ya want me to try and simulate and dupilicate let me know.



 Ciao.



 




Ok, thanks for doing those tests! Although this is a very small sample size (n = 1), your tests do somewhat confirm that Nvidia hardware mostly runs the game consistently well. They only confounding factor that I forgot about is that you have an insane CPU, so I think later today, I'm going to put all of my hardware to stock settings and see what happens to my framerate. It doesn't seem CPU-limited (ie. my fps changes with resolution) but who knows given how the game is running! I'll get back to you guys later!


If it's not too much of a hasstle, it would be interesting if you put your CPU to stock clocks and check what your fps is again to see if that makes any difference. Heck, maybe even underclock it to my 3.2 GHz (or lower since Sandy Bridge is a more efficient architecture).

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2012 - 3:49PM #537
GetsumBent
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Feb 19, 2012 -- 2:13PM, Philtastic wrote:


Feb 19, 2012 -- 1:30AM, GetsumBent wrote:


Rather than edit. Quick followup on my above post.


I just ran that same Shandi test you mentioned at night this time (prior numbers were in day , no rain)


This time at night, pointing east in middle of intersection low 50's


and when looking west back towar Shandis pad, .. upper 50's.



 Odd, but about opposite of daylight.  SO it is so situational in this game. Day, night,


Also, I have noticed after a reload of the same save that my night numbers overall seem somewhat higher than in


the daylight but I've not had a whole lot of time to STARE at the GPU tracking panel on my keyboard.


 In about 5 minutes of just general fooling around doing as much mayhem as I could with 3 homies in tow


and this time I spent more time watching the LCD panel on my keyboard than enjoying the game, I did note


it does drop to upper 40's in more cases than I had realized earlier. However, again, typical is much higher above 55.


  If You got other tests ya want me to try and simulate and dupilicate let me know.



 Ciao.



 




Ok, thanks for doing those tests! Although this is a very small sample size (n = 1), your tests do somewhat confirm that Nvidia hardware mostly runs the game consistently well. They only confounding factor that I forgot about is that you have an insane CPU, so I think later today, I'm going to put all of my hardware to stock settings and see what happens to my framerate. It doesn't seem CPU-limited (ie. my fps changes with resolution) but who knows given how the game is running! I'll get back to you guys later!


If it's not too much of a hasstle, it would be interesting if you put your CPU to stock clocks and check what your fps is again to see if that makes any difference. Heck, maybe even underclock it to my 3.2 GHz (or lower since Sandy Bridge is a more efficient architecture).




 That souinded interesting so I just tried it. Illuminating I guess.


Here are my results. Downclocked to 3400mhz which as I recall is about default for a i7-2600k.


 Using CORE temp to monitor, verified the clock speed in game was at 3400Mhz (3.4 Ghz) via Logitech display.


  Flew chopper at night.. from Saints base to shaundis with stop over by zombie island.


   Seemed a few frames per second .. MAYBE .. lower but still in mid 40's to bumps in 50ish at times, depending. Moving or stopped. (note this was with the Eagle)


      At zombie Island I saw a nice plume of smoke particles so I took the homies in for a scenic tour to enjoy the aroma of burned


      flesh.  Hovered around and in the plume generally in the area of that downed STAG airplane.  Low 40's to upper 40's FPS with


         a few dips to 39 but soon as I turn around it would jump back to mid 40's. 


  Flew to shaundis, again this was night.


 Stood in intersection looking east. FPS fluttering in mid 40's to upper 40's.


   Looking west and if moving down the street that way some, upper 40's to lower 50's .  No rain effects but I never see a dip during


those effects.



 Overall impression and this is just seat of the pants .. slightly lower performance but not a whole lot .


For whatever its worth.



 I forgot to mention this is all done with game in full screen mode. I don't run it windowed. 1920x1200 and all settings


in graphics set to balls to the wall.  I saw no differnce with vsync on or off in overall settings, that was the only other thing I messed with


recently.


   


 EDIT. LOL, after reading agaain the results from before it appears a loss of perhaps say, 8 fps or so typical.


SO number wise it did make adiference, noticing the difference by just playing the game,... not so much.


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3 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2012 - 4:06PM #538
GetsumBent
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Okay, I figured I' just screw around some to get a overall impression and made up a new 'test'.


 Still at night. That road that runs east - west immediate north of the gym in Lucradore territory.


 Ran that whole road east and west twice. Fast as a tricked out Bootlegger convertable with blower could go.


3 homies with lucradore cannons (2) and one with a rocket launcher, in the car, of course.


 Running east was consistant lower to mid 40's. 42ish to 44 typical.


 Running west was upper 40's . 46 to 48 typical.


 No rain. Just driving like a lunatic.


 


Okay, I'll try to ramp my CPU speed back up to the 4.6GHZ I was before and will edit this post with the results. Hope I don['t have


to reboot, doing this with the game in background> and I hatge it when the homies lose their lucrador toys.. haha. Back in a bit.


 EDIT. Okay. All seemd to go well, back at 4633Mhz CPU clock, confirmed by CORETEMP while in game.



            This time ran again, east west road twice .


  That road north of the Gym, and ran the entire road as far east and west as it can go until the raised drawbridge stops


and back to where it curves north in the west.


 West was upper 40's solid to lower 50's .. saw 53 a few times.


 East was mid 40's . Oddly not as much as a FPS boost when running east. Shrug.l


 I would say a boost of 3 to 6FPS using that as a 'baseline'


  Again, at night. I'm willing to bet it might matter on other factors. If I run that test again after a death or two I'll do it in daylight just


for **** n giggles.


 So I guess your observation the game isn't horribly CPU dependent is correct pretty much.


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2 years ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 10:02PM #539
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Feb 19, 2012 -- 4:06PM, GetsumBent wrote:


 Running east was consistant lower to mid 40's. 42ish to 44 typical.


 Running west was upper 40's . 46 to 48 typical.


 No rain. Just driving like a lunatic.


 


 West was upper 40's solid to lower 50's .. saw 53 a few times.


 East was mid 40's . Oddly not as much as a FPS boost when running east. Shrug.l


 I would say a boost of 3 to 6FPS using that as a 'baseline'


 ...


 So I guess your observation the game isn't horribly CPU dependent is correct pretty much.





Thanks for doing those tests! So it appears that this is entirely a GPU issue and purely with AMD cards.


We are now 3 months after release and we've seen two of the "big" DLC packs come out but no fix for this highly annoying issue. This is a game that revolves around driving fast while possibly shooting at pursuers and yet they have not fixed these framerate issues that ruined my experience with the game with a Radeon 5850 such that I bought the fastest single-GPU card available (Radeon 7970); and that only makes it consistently playable rather than eye-meltingly awesome.


I am jealous of people with less powerful Nvidia cards at this moment.

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 29, 2012 - 4:44PM #540
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Feb 19, 2012 -- 4:06PM, GetsumBent wrote:


 So I guess your observation the game isn't horribly CPU dependent is correct pretty much.




Redo your test with ANY AMD cpu and then tell me this game isn't horribly cpu dependent.


Your 2 cores from your core i7 is equivalent to the performance of all 4 cores of my phenom.


Since the game only utilizes 2 cores, your cpu is unlikely to be the bottleneck, where as for those of us with an AMD processor... well, the overclocking gives us a 1-1 ratio of fps improvement.

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